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Post by Stace on Jun 26, 2009 13:56:14 GMT
Rather than the standard RIP thread, how about recounting your favourite moments from the King Of Pop?
Mine has to be the full-length video for 'Thriller'. The whole zombie dance choreography was great. The guy had his faults, but what an entertainer!
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Post by Hud on Jun 26, 2009 17:31:12 GMT
I've heard Gary Glitter has his faults too.
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Post by Stace on Jun 26, 2009 18:10:22 GMT
Indeed, it's been reported that he preferred the company of children.
Instead of following the 'alternative' trend of Jacko bashing, I was trying to stimulate conversation re: his extensive musical legacy.
Beat It and the EVH solo was another high point.
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Post by hazardous on Jun 26, 2009 19:12:33 GMT
I remember watching him first do the moonwalk on the the Motown 25th anniversary, when I was a young teen. I thought that was pretty cool, even though my entire room was covered in Hit Parader and Circus rock star pictures. Controversy aside, the guy was extremely talented.
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Post by Hud on Jun 26, 2009 20:28:40 GMT
I'm sorry i did'nt realise selling a few albums absolved you of any crime.
Somethings outweigh any positive contributions someone has made due to their nature.
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Post by andii on Jun 26, 2009 22:25:15 GMT
How can you say for sure 100% that Michael Jackson actually did all that was reported on him?
Here's the difference... Gary Glitter WAS found guilty of all he did, and they even had substantial evidence on him, whereas Michael Jackson was found innocent, and it was only the parents word against his. That is it. Parents that knew Michael Jackson was loaded, and it was more than likely that these parents were money grabbing fuckers and could smell tons of cash with a story like that.
Thing is, Michael Jackson was hounded over all this for years. How do you know for SURE that he did these things? You don't. As for Gary Glitter... he WAS doing all those things, and it was proven.
Okay, onto memories as I don't want to turn this completely off topic...
My first memories were also of the Thriller video. I remember that first airing on "Music Box", or something like that it was called, on cable TV. Scared the shit out of me lol. Fantastic video that was.
Regardless of what many people may think of Michael Jackson, there is no denying that the guy was a musical genius. Sadly, he has now gone and still branded a child molester by some people... even though it was never proven.
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Post by Stace on Jun 27, 2009 3:02:52 GMT
Music Box it was, Andii..on the old Rediffusion CableVision...back when Sky Channel was one channel!
I know what you're saying Hud, being a celeb is no excuse, unless you're an MP, when morals and decency don't matter.
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Post by Gav Ruadh on Jun 27, 2009 10:21:16 GMT
So far as I'm concerned, Michael Jackson was never convicted of the crimes he was accused of.
No amount of money, the plaintif's main concern it seems, would make the abuse of your child any better. Always smelled more like extortion to me.
My memories of him will be during the mid-late 80's, with my younger brother cranking Thriller and Bad out of his "two shades of brown" Fisher Price cassette player. Bad tour posters up on his wall.
I also remember "not giving a shit" about the UK video premiere of "Black Or White" on Top Of The Pops, as it was my birthday and had just been given my first electric guitar! haha
To people like me, who were little kids when the man was at his creative peak, it is sad news. May he finally find peace.
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Post by Hud on Jun 27, 2009 10:28:02 GMT
How can you say for sure 100% that Michael Jackson actually did all that was reported on him? Here's the difference... Gary Glitter WAS found guilty of all he did, and they even had substantial evidence on him, whereas Michael Jackson was found innocent, and it was only the parents word against his. That is it. Parents that knew Michael Jackson was loaded, and it was more than likely that these parents were money grabbing fuckers and could smell tons of cash with a story like that. Thing is, Michael Jackson was hounded over all this for years. How do you know for SURE that he did these things? You don't. As for Gary Glitter... he WAS doing all those things, and it was proven. Okay, onto memories as I don't want to turn this completely off topic... My first memories were also of the Thriller video. I remember that first airing on "Music Box", or something like that it was called, on cable TV. Scared the shit out of me lol. Fantastic video that was. Regardless of what many people may think of Michael Jackson, there is no denying that the guy was a musical genius. Sadly, he has now gone and still branded a child molester by some people... even though it was never proven. How do you know he did'nt! He was'nt found innocent he paid them off. So it was never dis proven either.If he was innocent he could have wiped the floor with them in court but he did'nt, funny that. Musically he had a good writting team if you like shit pop music. Give me Prince any day. |
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Post by andii on Jun 27, 2009 11:15:31 GMT
How can you say for sure 100% that Michael Jackson actually did all that was reported on him? Here's the difference... Gary Glitter WAS found guilty of all he did, and they even had substantial evidence on him, whereas Michael Jackson was found innocent, and it was only the parents word against his. That is it. Parents that knew Michael Jackson was loaded, and it was more than likely that these parents were money grabbing fuckers and could smell tons of cash with a story like that. Thing is, Michael Jackson was hounded over all this for years. How do you know for SURE that he did these things? You don't. As for Gary Glitter... he WAS doing all those things, and it was proven. Okay, onto memories as I don't want to turn this completely off topic... My first memories were also of the Thriller video. I remember that first airing on "Music Box", or something like that it was called, on cable TV. Scared the shit out of me lol. Fantastic video that was. Regardless of what many people may think of Michael Jackson, there is no denying that the guy was a musical genius. Sadly, he has now gone and still branded a child molester by some people... even though it was never proven. How do you know he did'nt! He was'nt found innocent he paid them off. So it was never dis proven either.If he was innocent he could have wiped the floor with them in court but he did'nt, funny that. Musically he had a good writting team if you like shit pop music. Give me Prince any day. How do I know he didn't? I don't. This is what I am saying. I won't just brand Michael Jackson as guilty with no evidence to back it up. Gary Glitter hower I will brand as guilty because all the evidence was there. As for "paying them off", you have to look at it from another angle also. He was probably sick of it all, and being all over the news with terrible things being said. He may well have wanted to pay them off so he could get some peace. This is exactly why extortionists do things like this, because they know that someone as famous as Michael Jackson would not want all this being said about him day in, day out all over the fucking papers and on TV. I am not saying that is the case, but you have to look at it from another perspective also, and not just the one side. Anyway, I am not going to continue arguing whether he was innocent or not as I don't know. I chimed in because it seems you have just branded him a child molester with no real evidence at all. Whatever happened to innocent before being proved guilty? (And he wasn't found guilty by the way). I too am not a fan of Michael Jackson, but I can't deny the man's incredible musical talent, and I also can't outright brand him a molester with no solid evidence. |
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Post by Darren E on Jun 27, 2009 18:00:28 GMT
Starting with the positives, my most favourable memory was the premiere of Dirty Diana video w/Slash. It was good to see old glittery gloves rock out a bit. The intro to the video and production per se is really good, really dynamic. (Slash - in Q, I think it was - had nothing but seething contempt, though, about the recording session, branding him a control freak.)
The rest of my 'favourites' are from Bo Selecta. Jacko meeting/fighting with Ozzy in particular. Oh, and Jarvis Cocker pissing on his pretentious parade was amusing too.
Negatives, we could be here all night...
If his Creative Output v Insanity/Neg Press ratio was something like 70 - 30 (average for someone that famous) things would be fine, but it's not, it's more like 50 - 50, and now that he's dead we're supposed to forget all of that and just remember his (Quincy Jones-produced) genius.
And that's what annoys me - the fact that we have to forgive him TWICE for his misdemeanors.
I also never understood the global messianic hysteria which followed him around, particularly from black cultures (when one considers how much money he spent chemically attempting to transform himself into something more commercially-white).
Doctor: What shade is it today, sir?
Jacko: Oooo, commercial white, please, with just a hint of pro-MTV beige.
The Peter Pan persona/branding was as tedious as it was creepy and suspect.
He was a good dancer, and most CDs contain at least 2 or 3 well crafted songs, but I'm going to save my 'genius' eulogy for when Stevie Wonder passes away - if indeed Stevie doesn't find a way to compose from the clouds.
Finally: Nick Small, who I produce music vids and TV pilots with, lost a good friend this week: Steven 'Swells' Wells, who died from cancer aged just 49, and my grief-for-a-friend head is over with him
and not Jacko's disciples.
Swells (former NME and Guardian journo) and Nick formed GobTV in the 90s and made videos together like the Manic's Little Baby Nothing, and some Skunk Anansie, Senseless Things et al.
Swells was a Bill Hicks type ascerbic sod but always with more of a twinkle in his eye. He spent his last years living in Philly and making funny, ranty vodcasts about Bush, guns, American culture etc. - which are now (obviously) suddenly more popular on YouTube than they use to be. To find him, start a search with his name and 'stop the vote'.
This will be contentious.. Will Jacko's kids now have a healthier upbringing without him around? They won't get dangled over hotel balconies anymore at least.
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Post by Hud on Jun 27, 2009 22:22:16 GMT
Starting with the positives, my most favourable memory was the premiere of Dirty Diana video w/Slash. It was good to see old glittery gloves rock out a bit. The intro to the video and production per se is really good, really dynamic. (Slash - in Q, I think it was - had nothing but seething contempt, though, about the recording session, branding him a control freak.) The rest of my 'favourites' are from Bo Selecta. Jacko meeting/fighting with Ozzy in particular. Oh, and Jarvis Cocker pissing on his pretentious parade was amusing too. Negatives, we could be here all night... If his Creative Output v Insanity/Neg Press ratio was something like 70 - 30 (average for someone that famous) things would be fine, but it's not, it's more like 50 - 50, and now that he's dead we're supposed to forget all of that and just remember his (Quincy Jones-produced) genius. And that's what annoys me - the fact that we have to forgive him TWICE for his misdemeanors. I also never understood the global messianic hysteria which followed him around, particularly from black cultures (when one considers how much money he spent chemically attempting to transform himself into something more commercially-white). Doctor: What shade is it today, sir? Jacko: Oooo, commercial white, please, with just a hint of pro-MTV beige. The Peter Pan persona/branding was as tedious as it was creepy and suspect. He was a good dancer, and most CDs contain at least 2 or 3 well crafted songs, but I'm going to save my 'genius' eulogy for when Stevie Wonder passes away - if indeed Stevie doesn't find a way to compose from the clouds. Finally: Nick Small, who I produce music vids and TV pilots with, lost a good friend this week: Steven 'Swells' Wells, who died from cancer aged just 49, and my grief-for-a-friend head is over with him and not Jacko's disciples. Swells (former NME and Guardian journo) and Nick formed GobTV in the 90s and made videos together like the Manic's Little Baby Nothing, and some Skunk Anansie, Senseless Things et al. Swells was a Bill Hicks type ascerbic sod but always with more of a twinkle in his eye. He spent his last years living in Philly and making funny, ranty vodcasts about Bush, guns, American culture etc. - which are now (obviously) suddenly more popular on YouTube than they use to be. To find him, start a search with his name and 'stop the vote'. This will be contentious.. Will Jacko's kids now have a healthier upbringing without him around? They won't get dangled over hotel balconies anymore at least. D. Your going to need to do better than that to be contencious around here. It like Princess Di all over again, everyone now loves and wants to remember Jacko. Why? I'd rather sit through the entie Crue back catalouge than a single album by Jacko. |
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Post by andii on Jun 28, 2009 0:09:58 GMT
Hud...
If the thread is bothering you, then why not just ignore it?
I have said this in the past regarding Michael Jackson, even when he was alive, so let's not have the "Diana" bullshit, eh? Some people don't condemn others without actual solid evidence, whereas you have said GUILTY! with no actual proof. Come on. I know you don't like his music (As you bring up), but you can't call him the same as Gary Glitter with no proof, just because you don't like his music, or even maybe his weird ways etc.
No offense at all to you either, I think you are a pretty sound guy after reading posts in the past etc, but I just think your opinion on the whole MJ thing is a little narrow minded... no offense.
I will leave it at that. Sorry to go off topic Stace. That was my last post on the matter.
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Post by carl on Jun 28, 2009 1:12:35 GMT
It will always be seeing the moonwalk appear for the very first time. That was amazing to have seen.
As for Jackson...I'm still not so sure why he is so highly regarded. Thriller was a HUGE album, but his other big hit albums were all living off the legacy of that album, not making their own. He was exceedingly mediocre after Thriller.
The Jackson 5 on the other hand recorded "ABC", and I love them for that very fact.
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Post by Stace on Jun 28, 2009 5:12:02 GMT
Andii...no need to apologise mate. A little bit of controversy stirs up personal opinions. It's good that we've all been around here a while and are not too bothered about speaking our mind.
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